Project art

ART IS CONTINUUM

Finally I have (some) time to write this article I have planned to publish for a long time. The thing is I have given a lot of thought for such dilemma as: "What is art?"

Some time ago I got inspired by Tom Rondello who quite often writes questions in his comments that does not seem to have anything to do with the topic. According to Tom himself, these are so called rhetorical questions, which means there are no reply expected. I'm not sure if they really are such thing because at least I would still expect them to be on topic. Although, one can always build a some sort of a "pons asinorum" between the topic and any comment.

Nevertheless, what especially interests me about these rhetorical questions is what said on "mighty WikiPedia":

It is also common to use a rhetorical question to bring an end to a debate or to finalize a decision.

This means the so called rhetorical question may work as a discussion killer even if it is not on topic. So, if you want to silence a room, then just ask something where no one can answer.

But what all this has to do with art? And that was not a rhetorical question. Well. I have started to see art as a rhetorical question. In a way work of art stop us and challenge us to think what it is about. Or that's what it can do at its best. If it does not stop us to think some specific dilemma that has no solution like probably Picasso's Guernica, then it may stop us asking: "Isn't this perfect?"

This does not mean a piece of art is really perfect, but an artist who made it may think so. Artist may have put a lot of effort to make a certain statement, to make other peeps stop and look at the piece of art, maybe even in admiring silence.

But is that what art should do, to stop us admire the work of art?

I have started to think that art should inspire instead of trying to stop us. Art should make us join and participate into process of art. It should challenge us all to create and continue from the very spot where one work ends. So, for example a kid could take a print of Guernica and start coloring it with bright colors and draw happy faces on gloomy and suffering figures.

That is why I have slowly started to respect a certain graffiti art where new work is painted over the old ones. I know graffiti is usually also meant as final work and no one is really expected to paint over it. But that is what often happens. At least in some point those who hate graffiti comes and paint the wall blank, and then process may start again.

But in true interactive art project there would be no blank canvas once started. It can continue till forever.

And that is what I once tried in photography, when I challenged people to take pictures that can be joined together. There are also other versions on this like theme photography. A group of people are challenged to shoot on the same theme. But that really is not what I mean. The pictures in true collaborative or co-operative project should form a giant piece of art when put together.

Alternatively works could discuss with each other in some level. Like there are some games where each participant are asked to write a short part of the story that then may continue forever.

And another option is that one just takes anything that s/he finds inspiring and makes her/his interpretation out of it, AND also tries to challenge others to do the same. That is how I used Tom's rhetorical questions in my paradox project. At least it inspired Thomas :up:

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24 thoughts on “Project art

  1. Originally posted by TrainingForUtopia:

    You want every piece of art to be a part of the whole thing called "art" while provoking to continue to a next piece which fuses to the first and next one?

    :yes:Originally posted by TrainingForUtopia:

    Art shouldn't even stop at the boundaries of art but continue into the level of lived reality.

    Exactly! It should be like internet where even most absurd links and tags can connect items to with each other

  2. Good Text, thanks Sami!You want every piece of art to be a part of the whole thing called "art" while provoking to continue to a next piece which fuses to the first and next one?This is a very interesting view.In my opinion art has to serve in some point life by influencing it positively. If art serves art, we end at the rhetorical question, what is art? Art shouldn't even stop at the boundaries of art but continue into the level of lived reality.

  3. Originally posted by serola:

    call it as sharing

    :yes: :yes: of course!Originally posted by serola:

    And to make this more interesting, lets not forget recycling

    ๐Ÿ˜†

  4. Originally posted by TrainingForUtopia:

    what is art?

    It is a kind of "discontent" of people with the outside world … In my opinion.orI make photos as I see the world and this is my art :happy::cheers:

  5. A complex subject. To me, art is about communication.Your example about how a rhetorical question can 'kill' a thread can be seen as a way to stop people thinking, or to start them thinking. When people are pushing one idea without considering any other view, a rhetorical question can help them to see the subject from another point of view.Many years ago, I had a disagreement with my Art teacher. He claimed that there is no 'art' in computing. (I still think he was thinking only in terms of 'digital art')My view was that there is art in everything, including programming. To me, the key to Great art is simplicity.

  6. Well said Qlue :cheers: I also think that there's art in everything. Like the word art originally was used. Whatever we do can be done skilfully and therefore it is art. I have seen a good programmers doing database that truly became an piece of art. And just thin about first Apple computers! Such a magnificent achievement :up:But again I wonder, how can we create something that okay, may stop us thinking, but then makes us continue to develop what we see, hear and feel further on?Some computer games and toys can come close to that, but even there the problem often is that predefined rules set a limits where the project can go. One interesting example is a physical wall for posters. There people hang their own posters and rip down others. There the wall is all the time changing and is never the same. But there the problem is that the poster hardly never form any kind of dialog.Another example is city. Most interesting one I have ever seen is Florence because there the houses truly seem to take contact with each other. The whole city of Florence is like a giant piece of art.

  7. Originally posted by qlue:

    When people are pushing one idea without considering any other view, a rhetorical question can help them to see the subject from another point of view.

    I absolutely agree with that.

  8. Originally posted by brunozbruna:

    I make photos as I see the world and this is my art

    isn't this rather your view?

  9. Originally posted by qlue:

    To me, the key to Great art is simplicity.

    :yes: I agree! :)Originally posted by TrainingForUtopia:

    isn't this rather your view?

    :yes: of course!But this one is example of "my art".It's my reaction to external stimulus (from S and T), the author wanted to say "I see a negative recycling garbage because all ends in the same bag …"

  10. Originally posted by qlue:

    To me, the key to Great art is simplicity.

    A mathematician would say "elegance". I have spent many email sessions trying to convince Mathematicians that they produce art. They seem to be hostile to the idea.

  11. That is because a Mathematician thinks that mathematics is ordered and logical while art is disordered and illogical. The reverse is as often true as not though. :p .

  12. Originally posted by Frlmnk:

    Art?

    Originally posted by brunozbruna:

    Yes and this is art…

    Rhetorical questions indeed :lol:Originally posted by qlue:

    Mathematician thinks that mathematics is ordered and logical while art is disordered and illogical.

    :eyes: Best artists I have seen have utilized mathematics :up: But I guess mathematicians can't find anything useful in art :p

  13. I've known "more than my share" of artists that are just as hostile or worse concerning math and/or science.

  14. Thanks for the links, Sami.Yep, I remember an assignment in HS geometry making 3d objects out of construction paper. Mine was a penta-dodecahedron.Many years later I stumbled upon a scifi novel that utilized the same shape as it's premise. Somehow it wasn't malt licker though..

  15. Yeah Tom inspired you, I got inspired and I hope I can give the toarch on :DI am sure more paradox's will come over time :)I miss your "End Game" in top photos!

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