Commenting temporary limited

That's it! I have had enough of being targeted by annoying propaganda. So, I have temporary limited the commenting to my friends only. If you wish to comment my blog and photos, and you are not my MyOpera friend yet, then please sen me a friends request, and I will consider if you are a friend or a foe.

Like said, this is only a temporary measure. So, if you who keep doing this find your goal achieved, then please do feel happy about it :furious:

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57 thoughts on “Commenting temporary limited

  1. If you ask code tag to be limited you are asking MyOpera folks to introduce the usual tons of bugs. For NO GAIN.The way to go is to add comment moderation. In short comments aren't published until you don't review and approve them. This way there is no need to restrict comments any way.BTW, you can access the page using ADBlockPlus for Firefox, filtering the "annoying contents" from the page. With these rules:my.opera.com###zizocmy.opera.com###zizoc1*.imageshack.*^$third-party||youtube.*^$third-partyFirst two hide the divs (you regain control over the under laying page), other two block the images and videos from downloading.

  2. I guess there is something very wrong on MyOpera since when I access some pages of your blog I see it "defaced" with banners about "free Palestine" and alike.

  3. Just deleted those. The "spammer" is also reported by others. So, it would be taken care of on other blogs ASAP.It is very annoying and wish to get some limit on what code tags are allowed to be used on comments is also asked on MyOpera feedback forums.

  4. Yes, thanks for tips how to remove the comments, although I knew them already.Lorenzo, you are right. Moderation of comments sent by non-friends would be better solution.

  5. :left: :worried: :right: Seems like you got it all covered while I slept. I can't see what the gain is for the perpetrator.

  6. Actually, I've been thinking of doing something similar with my own blog. :left:.This looks like a major spam/propaganda effort and I expect to see a lot of this rubbish. :irked:.

  7. Well, what happened on Sami's page was not "attack", it was just a comment with some HTML code with two effects, covering the whole page with a "layer" (so you could not click anything) and load video/images from youtube/imageshack.You can trim all code from comments but this disallows to attach images or anything and it won't stop annoying comments anyway. It is a matter of fact that among those million MyOpera accounts MANY are just "fake" and "anonymous" and registered only to comment on the community as "registered user". You block one, they just register another. Among annoyances there are spammers (people who are payed to send spam) or just some fanatics who come commenting on your blog because they think it is fun.I've already said what the ONLY solution is.Attacks usually are aimed to either crash MyOpera servers (like DDOS) or gain access to other people's accounts (by stealing or cracking the UID/PSW) or even to get control over everything as administrator. These are common to any Web service and I guess there are "best practices" for harden servers and software. One of the old mistakes I've seen in old days was programmers allowing "code injection" through "forms". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_injection

  8. Originally posted by Tamil:

    Use View > Style > User Mode to delete spam.

    use it where?

  9. Yes but that just suppresses the default CSS, it does not stop the emebedded objects to be downloaded. Same as the said above rules:my.opera.com###zizocmy.opera.com###zizoc1For ABP.User CSS for Opera.To block those you must rely on "Block Content" (in Opera) or ABP (in Firefox). In this case suppressing the CSS was good to regain control over the page so you could "click" over links.Same as above:*.imageshack.*^$third-party||youtube.*^$third-partyFor ABP.http://*.imageshack.*http://youtube.*For Block Content on Opera.

  10. :confused: can't you just delete the comment? How long does that remain an option?

  11. Originally posted by studio41:

    I'm giving Lorenzo my password- maybe he'll do it for me

    :faint: 😆 Anyway, it looks like problem being solved now :up:

  12. Tamil's advice really is for blog owner to tell how one can get around layered picture that filled the whole page, and edit and/or delete the comment where this nasty trick is used.The recommended way is to edit the post just to remove the part of CSS that makes the post fill the whole window. Then it would be post for whole community if the spammer becomes reported here, if not done already by someone else. When reported, admins wil take care of it and remove all comments sent by that spammer all around MyOpera.

  13. Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

    Yes but that just suppresses the default CSS, it does not stop the emebedded objects to be downloaded. Same as the said above rules:my.opera.com###zizocmy.opera.com###zizoc1For ABP.User CSS for Opera.To block those you must rely on "Block Content" (in Opera) or ABP (in Firefox). In this case suppressing the CSS was good to regain control over the page so you could "click" over links.Same as above:*.imageshack.*^$third-party||youtube.*^$third-partyFor ABP.http://*.imageshack.*http://youtube.*For Block Content on Opera.

    fooey. too complicated for me, I'm giving Lorenzo my password- maybe he'll do it for me 😀

  14. Originally posted by serola:

    layered picture that filled the whole page, and edit and/or delete the comment where this nasty trick is used.

    It is disabled now. 🙂

  15. Originally posted by Tamil:

    It is disabled now.

    And commenting on my blog allowed again for all MyOpera members :up:

  16. What I wrote is not related to MyOpera, it is related to your browser, considering you may use either Opera or Firefox. So I don't need any password. It is a general advice: you can "filter" ANY page content using the said tools. The most common situation is about filtering advertisement out of Web sites but I also use it for removing embedded videos, animations and other "widgets" from other people's blogs.It is complicated only if you aren't interested in the topic. Like anything else about personal computers.Filtering contents out of Web pages can be done in two ways:1. setting the CSS "display" property of the HTML element to "none".In Opera this seems to hide the element and block the objects linked to it. In Firefox it just hides the element. This is usually done "per each site".2. filtering the URL (the Web address) of the embedded object(s).For example you add "http://www.example.com/images/example.jpg" to Opera's "Block Content" (located in "tools – advanced"). It will stop the "example.jpg" image to be loaded when you visit ANY Web page.There is a third way that was more popular some years ago. It consists in adding a "local proxy" between the browser and the Internet. The proxy then applies more or less the same criteria as above and filters Web pages contents before they are served to the browser.

  17. Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

    There is a third way that was more popular some years ago. It consists in adding a "local proxy" between the browser and the Internet. The proxy then applies more or less the same criteria as above and filters Web pages contents before they are served to the browser.

    That was used partly because ad-blocking tools weren't integrated into browsers yet! :up:.You can also get round these type of things using Lynxs browser! :up:.

  18. But it is small compared to page blocking.

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  19. You think. Guess what happens if I publish on your blog a detailed plan to bomb the prime minister's house or a list of links to pedophile videos or whatever else. Guess who is responsible for the blog contents.Besides, I should try to post 10M of text file to see what crashes first, if MyOpera or the browser.

  20. You must be silly to think the problem is "solved".Like I said, they may disallow HTML code in comments but this is not going to stop anybody to comment. And even if you limit comments to plain text, still I can post Hitler's Mein Kampf:"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Or stuff like this:

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  21. So you can sue RapidShare.com if someone uploads offensive content about you to their servers?

  22. The problem for me was not being able to edit, report and delete those specific spam comments without extra measures, and now that problem is solved.

  23. You are obviously wrong. Here in my country every Internet connection must be registered with the name of the "owner" to make it possible to trace back the IP. Blogs are considered as "media" like newspapers and TVs and the "owner" is responsible of whatever is published there. And the reason is obvious, there are crimes and the Law must be capable of prosecuting those crimes. I give you a simple example: I publish a comment where I openly insult somebody else. This person can go the the court and file a suit for "public offense" (I don't know the term in english). The court then acts against the blog owner exactly THE SAME as a newspaper.Now, the typical action is to remove the offending comment. But what if you can't stop those comments to come? Then you must disallow comments all together. So what we are speaking here is the only "solution" on MyOpera is to not have comments.Banning is irrelevant since everybody can register 100 fake accounts a day on MyOpera. You can trace the IP but I can hide behind an anonymous proxy or two. So what? Besides, I would not worry much about the 10M of plain text, I would worry more of pinging MyOpera for errors and from those errors find if there is some exploit useful to inject code.

  24. Tamil, what if I open a site named "we hate Tamil" and then I let everybody post their comments as "anonymous"? Following your logic I am not responsible and you can't do anything.Fortunately it is not how things work. The only practical limit to the legal action is that every nation has got its own legal system. You have some chances to make it work among countries that are members of the EU. But when the server is in China and the site owner is in Brasil, the best you can get is the "obscuration" of the site by national providers.And in fact that happened too, several times.Of course if you go against Microsoft, they have money and time to go after you where ever you may hide. If you go against the US government they can either ask the local government to jail you or they can send some CIA "cleaning team".

  25. Exactly but It depends on the national legal system.Here there are two forms of legal action.One is the mandatory and automatic action taken by judges when they are informed of some crimes. The other is the suit you can file against somebody.Google was sentenced guilty because some kids published a video on Youtube of them making fun of a disabled classmate. Google was sued and lost by an italian TV channel because of some TV shows also published on Youtube.Generally YES, you can sue the service provider for the contents published on their platform. It is just obvious, since it is THE ONLY way you have to enforce your own rights against illegal contents. Sami, I guess you understand it would be relatively easy to flood your blog with unwanted comments. How many do you think you can manually delete before you get tired of it? So you restrict comments like we all are doing lately. But it it rather obvious that restricting comments is not the right way if you want to have a public blog.

  26. lorenzo, as you said, the jaxs do work differently in each country.But it seems that Italy's jaxs or designed to guarantee a conviction without even attempting to apprehend the guilty. :confused:.By your logic, if someone is murdered, then someone must hang. But it doesn't matter who actually committed the murder, as long as you have a body ct the end of the rope, then 'justice' is done? If that's the case them we might as well replace the lawyers and judges with a lottery machine. The effective 'justice' will be the same. :left:.And it might even be more fair as then everyone has an equal chance to be either 'guilty' or 'innocent' in any given case. :p.No, I will not accept responsibility or liability for someone else's actions. Not even if their action are in the form of comments on my blog page. :irked:.As for your "we have Tamil" example, that is clearly intending to be incitefull. So if a country's laws mark incitefull acts or 'hatespeech' as criminal, then the owner of that site, under that law, would be committing a crime. However, under a law which guarantees free speech and does not criminalisd hate speech, the owner of the site would have done nothing illegal. :up:.

  27. This thing about "freedom of speech" makes me laugh every time I read it. You just see the Wikileaks case. The guy who gave away the information about US diplomacy now is held in some military maximum security prison and the head of Wikileaks will spend his next years in courts.The point we must consider is that the Internet is not and cannot be a "safe heaven" where you can do and say whatever you want. Having a blog is exactly the same as printing a magazine. Like the director of the magazine is held responsible for whatever is published on it, same goes about the blog.And this is the reason why NON MODERATED comments are a NONSENSE. Because then you must delete any offending content immediately or you implicitly AGREE with them and then you are partner in the crime. It is similar to the idea you see a crime being committed and/or you have got information about it and you don't inform the police.The case I said above about Google is relatively clear. They hosted the video for months and the judges find them guilty not because the video was published in first place but for not promptly removing it. Besides, Google can be also requested by the Law to give away the information on WHO published the videos.I wish everybody here to NEVER be involved in some legal action.Oh, another example of "naive" thinking about "freedom": the Pirate Bay case. All the Pirate Bay did was to host links. Not only they did not host any "illegal" file but they said exactly the same as above about not being responsible of what their users were publishing on their servers. They were found guilty by a swedish court and sentenced for prison and a fine of million euros.

  28. Nope. The right analogy should be: you own a building, then somebody goes in and build a laboratory to refine drugs. But since it is not your responsibility, you don't do anything.BTW, here you must notify the Police any renting you may have in place. If you want to keep your analogy, the house owner goes away then somebody comes and puts the pornographic poster. The owner comes back and takes away the poster but meanwhile another guy comes to the backdoor and put other two pornographic posters, the owner takes them away but somebody else has put 10 posters all around. And so on. Even worse of course if the house owner does not remove any poster, so basically his house becomes a pornographic exposition.The house owner some day or another must hire some guard to keep pornographic posters out of his house. That is the reason why there are "moderators" who clean forums, blogs, etc.Opera is responsible of what you post on MyOpera. You can make a try, open a fake blog with a fake account and put some illegal content over there. Then I will report it to MyOpera. See what happens.To make it a better experiment I should go to the police here and wait until they contact the police in Norway but it is a bit too complicated. Also because you must publish something REALLY bad to convince the italian police to do anything. I am reading something like 90% crimes are unresolved.But the fact that you aren't immediately jailed if you show your bare naked ass in public because policemen are busy with donuts doesn't mean that it is allowed. 🙂

  29. Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

    Opera is responsible of what you post on MyOpera.

    http://my.opera.com/community/terms-of-service/

    Disclaimer for My OperaOpera Software is not responsible for any Content posted on Opera Software’s sites by third parties, and such websites are in no way investigated, monitored or checked for accuracy or completeness by Opera Software.Opera Software expressly disclaims any liability whatsoever that might result from any Content posted on Opera Software’s sites by third parties.

  30. Yes, like it matters.Sometimes I think to live in an alternate universe.You seem to believe Osama Bin Laden can register an account over MyOpera and publish AlQueda manifesto, dispaches and plans over here. And nothing happens because nobody is responsible for "third parties" and nobody is "monitoring, checking, etc".You can bet that the authorities of Norway call MyOpera and order them to shut down the blog immediately and give away all the logs they may have. Then you see if MyOpera answers "sorry but we have written we aren't responsible"… :)And I tell you more. If MyOpera is informed by me about Osama's blog (if we get for real that nobody "monitors" the blogs), they are OBLIGED to inform the authorities.

  31. A simple analogy to the laws you describe would be;A homeowner leaves for work a 6am. At 7am, some stranger pastes a pornographic poster on the wall around his property. By 8am the homeowner is arrested at work and charged with pornography.That's not logical yet you seem to agree that that's the way it should be.While someone who is self-hosting his own blog can tentatively be compared with the owners of YouTube, My Opera is hosted by Opera Software. So corporate responsibility lies with Opera Software. I am responsible for what I post. But I am not liable for what you post. Even with Italy's laws, the only way to successfully convict the blog owner is if you can prove that the blog owner did not take every reasonable measure at his disposal to prevent or remove the 'illegal' content. If that is not the case, then that is not a true legal system but merely a thugish and oppressive dictatorship.As you said, in the YouTube case you mention it was YouTube's failure to act that resulted in their losing the case. Had they acted against the violation and removed the video, even if it took them 48 hours to do that, they would not have had any liability. The tv show should clearly have been copyright by the producers. As for the one about the disabled child been victimised, it's not a clear-cut case at all. It's not inherently illegal to tease or to make fun of someone. So it depends on various factors.I suspect that in the court case with the tv show that the producers must have shown that Google were, or should reasonably have been, aware that that the show was copyrighted and that it was posted by someone who was not authorised to do so. That is a fundamental requirement for a guilty conviction in any civilised country. (althoug corruption in the system can override that I suppose)So even in those two cases, the mere posting of the videos in question did not make Google guilty.However, I do agree that there is a need for the feature to approve comments before they get displayed. I just agree with your stated reason for it. (although if Italian law really is as corrupt as you suggest it is, then it is a valid reason for Italians I suppose)

  32. What's your point Lorenzo?It sounds to me like you're saying; "Who's to stop me?". BTW, the terms here are; libel and slander. The former being applied to published material and resulting in a greater punishment. I believe the debate here is concerned with the form of communication and the blurr that exists between it being "spoken" or "printed". There's also the "public" and "private" consideration of the post.

  33. No my point is much more simpler: My Opera needs comment moderation, otherwise we are all going to restrict comments to "friends only".I don't see any blur. Speaking and printing is the same. It is all about the audience. Speaking in front of a million people is worse than printing a paper that is read by 10 people. Jesus wasn't sentenced to death because he printed anything. Martin Luther King was murdered not because of his printings.And there isn't NOTHING "private" over the Internet. The more we must connect to networks of any kind, the less "privacy" we have. You just think that for having a cell phone you can be traced wherever you go.

  34. I don't think Opera Software are obliged to do anything merely on your say so. But They will usually act to ban anyone that's violating their terms of service. And one of their terms of service states that you may not post anything illegal on My Opera. :left:.Also, if Osama Bin Laden registers a blog and all he ever does is write posts about the weather, then I don't see that there is any law in any country that is been broken. :rolleyes:.He would have to actually do something that is illegal before the law would get involved.Besides, the real question is, would you be arrested if Osama left a comment on your blog saying "hi"? :sherlock:.

  35. And you don't find anything strange in:"Opera Software is not responsible for any Content posted on Opera Software’s sites by third parties"Followed by:"And one of their terms of service states that you may not post anything illegal on My Opera."Logically, if they aren't responsible of anything there is no reason to state a service policy against "illegal contents".Then logically if MyOpera bans "illegal contents" from blogs and note that MyOpera considers YOU responsible for the blog contents, it includes also to COMMENTS. So as soon as an "illegal comment" is added to your blog, you violate MyOpera service policy. Forget Osama. Lets say a well known criminal who is on the most wanted list of Norway (because that makes it simpler) opens a blog over MyOpera and he posts about the weather. Do you think MyOpera, informed about the fact that the said wanted criminal is posting on a blog, doesn't need to inform the authorities? Again I may live in an alternate reality.

  36. Exactly how would Opera Software know that this person is a criminal? Or that this person is the specific 'most wanted' criminal in question? I know what you're trying to say, but it doesn't work like that. By your logic, Serola should have been banned because of the hijacking comments posted on his blog. :rolleyes:.He wasn't, because he was the victim and not the offender. I'm sure that even under Italian law, you are not liable for your neighbours transgressions. I think you are probably misinterpreting that law. :up:.

  37. To me it looks very simple.MyOpera cannot host illegal contents on their site because, regardless the "disclaimer", they are responsible for it. So their policy (which is usual) is to remove the illegal contents as soon they are informed of it.They can be informed in two ways, either by monitoring what people do on the "community" or through reporting. Reporting can come from other MyOpera users or from "authorities".The same concept goes for our own blogs. We cannot host illegal comments (or even just annoying comments). Our policy is the same as MyOpera, as soon as we are notified of the comments we go checking and delete them. But there is an important difference: I don't do blogging for living and then I don't check it 24 hours a day. Not only a comment can stay online for hours due to the different time zones but even for days until I don't log on MyOpera. There is also another difference, it is relatively easy to hammer a blog with unwanted comments and your only move is to disable comments.To not mention the (famous) fact that when I deleted comments somebody somehow could kick me out of my own blog, which is worrying at best or suspicious (like some insider being involved). And we cannot be so naive. If all it takes to become a "victim" is to allow comments, then I can write whatever I want on my own blog until I log out and comment as "anonymous" or using another (fake) registered MyOpera account.I am not speaking of Sami here.

  38. Your only liability is to take action once you become aware of the problem. You are not liable for someone else's actions. That is the crux of it.getting back to the issue here, the feature to preview comments is something that we can use. But since we don't have it, we can't be held responsible for comments left on our blog in our absence.Yes we do, as bloggers, have the responsibility to report and remove any comment that violates the terms of service. (or the law) But since we are not online 24/7, we can only be expected to do this in our own time. I think this is more an issue of pride than of legal liability. I would not, for example, want to be associated with porn. So I would be rather embarrassed and humiliated were some dirtbag to post a pornographic photo in a comment on my blog. It would be worse if I didn't log in for three days and it stayed there all that time. :awww:.But I would not be in violation of the terms of service just because I didn't log in for three days.Now let's make this a criminal example instead of a merely anti-social one. Let's say the porn was actually child pornography. :insane:.Child pornography is illegal in South Africa. Merely having it on your computer is an offence. If I don't in online for a week, and that porn is posted in that time and removed by a moderator. i never even see it. I an not guilty of anything. But if I log in, and see that photo, then, even if I delete the comment, I've already broken the law because the only way for me to have seen it was to have downloaded it which is illegal.However, I would have a good chance of winning my case since My Opera is not a porn site and that photo would be an anomaly here. So I can't reasonably be expected to know that such a photo was on my page. I also can't be expected to know what a photo is about untill the browser downloads and displays it.Now if I deliberately save that photo to my picture gallery, then I am guilty and I'll probably in to jail if caught.

  39. Of course MyOpera can't complain because you don't log in for a while and during this time unwanted stuff is published on your blog. Basically that is a mistake of theirs.And probably you can win in a court if you are accused because of it. But of course we (me, you, anybody here) don't want either to have our name associated with child porn (just an example) or to find ourselves in a court because of it. Before you are recognized innocent (years later in our legal system) you get your life ruined.Considering the present situation on MyOpera, we have got two options, either hope that nothing too bad happens or disable comments.And so I don't think that any "problem" got solved.About being liable of someone else's actions, it is not that simple. There are many situations in which you must demonstrate you have put in place all the possible safety measures and the best effort, otherwise you end in sharing part of the guilty.To make a fun example, some parents here had to refund the school their kids had set on fire. 🙂

  40. True, being accused can be every bit as bad as being found guilty. You don't even need to be online for that to happen though and I can't live my life on "what ifs". :left:.We have to work wit what we have, not what we wish we had. And if at some point we decide that My Opera does not offer us enough protection or tools, then we have to decide to either use a different service or to stop blogging all together. :awww:.

  41. That's what I thought! So…, I'm not in trouble for the "recent photos" I've downloaded?! What a relief! :lol:I feel free to restring my mandolin now!

  42. After reading given examples I understood the service provider could be sued if not doing anything within reasonable time. As far as I have seen, MyOpera community has managed to keep the contents reasonable clear within few days, thanks to active moderators and community.For example, if I don't clean unwanted contents from the comments on my blog, then usually someone else has done reporting and deletion within hours or days.However, Lorenzo's suggestion to add possibility for blog owner to moderate incoming comments posted by non-friends and anonymous is very good and I strongly support that suggestion :up: It not only makes task of blog owners to keep their own blogs clean, but also would help task of MyOpera moderators.

  43. If I was MyOpera manager I would also rework the whole "friend-community" part to make it easier to find people who share common interests. To name a simple thing that I noticed since the very beginning, there isn't any point in being showed about blogs I can't read because they are written in russian or vietnamese or about people who just have an empty profile.

  44. How come there's 13 more comments posted, again, when I get back online?Also, I don't view myself responsible for helping to enforce the rules of the My Opera Community. I've just agreed to obey them. If I'm mistaken, please, inform me.

  45. MyOpera members don't have to help on moderation. It is completely voluntary. Personally I do so because I want to help my friends around MyOpera.

  46. Besides, the idea people have about "moderation" is relative. I got "moderated" for comments I thought to be absolutely legit and polite while people I would ban is apparently appreciated by moderators. I guess it is about different priorities.

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