Bookmarks causing gray hairs

Today I first time heard about news of Yahoo closing down their del.icio.us social bookmark service, and after tumbling around awhile, I then found out it is not going to happen after all. Anyway, I probably got one more gray hair when started to worry where on earth and how I would move all my hundreds of bookmarks from del.icio.us. …

First thing that came across on my bath of search results was Xmarks. I soon learned it does not yet work with Opera but there are plans to get Opera supported in near future, thanks to new Opera 11 extensions and APIs.

So, although del.icio.us is still continued, I became interested on alternative options. But then I stumbled on another problem. Delicious API only supports export/import of last 100 bookmarks. I can of course use export feature at del.icio.us but that format is not supported by browsers, thus giving no option to deliver the tags as well, and without tags it will become completely useless to have collection of hundreds of bookmarks.

All this means that I still have to continue using del.icio.us and hope it would only become better when Yahoo "finds the home outside the company".

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60 thoughts on “Bookmarks causing gray hairs

  1. Definitely one must be prepared for all kinds of threats that may suddenly endanger the efforts put on contents on internet.

  2. I have my personal rule: when you are sold something as a "cool" thing, it will probably hurt you under the belt soon or later. Stay away from "coolness".Anyway, in the blob post above there are some advices for Delicious.

  3. Yes, I commented there already ๐Ÿ˜‰ I found out the ultimate problem with bookmarks still is the lack of standards. This has been the case before and still is.Anyway, I consider myself rather cautious user. I only start to use something more extensively once I have found enough about some service. I may test many things easily but to win my heart as a "customer" the service really must prove to be good enough.So far I have found delicious reliable enough. Although, from the first day when starting to use it I was already worrying if it would become chargeable some day or come to it's end. And the day when Yahoo took the control was very sad for me because then it already became much more complex and difficult to use.

  4. I have got bookmarks only in form of file exported from Firefox (it can be imported in Opera). When I need to "sync", I copy the file. I don't use any tag. I don't share with anybody. I've learned to be less dependent from Web services as possible. I try to be free to unplug from here and plug into there because I have always stored locally. Included, for example, all my Gmail messages.Because, not only a service can be discontinued but it is rather obvious the reason behind "fidelization" is to get money from you, in a way or another. The less attack surface you expose, the less they can hold you from your balls. ๐Ÿ™‚

  5. Originally posted by Serola:

    I found there things that Ididn't even remembersearching

    And I thought I was all alone. :lol:I really don't understand what good a service like that can be with the number of new posts and updates and such occurring on a geometric progression like it does. Lately it also seems like some sort of cyber Armageddon is being promoted by the internet community as a whole. What's up and running and what's tanked! :confused:I just remember back in my fetal days(2001), being able to go to the libraries lab for 2 hours at a time. I'd configure a search to list 100 urls and print out the page for 10 cents,go back to my spot under the bridge and sort through it. Ah! Those were the good old days! :love: I'm gonna search for "Hell's Buddha", again! :yes:

  6. Originally posted by Lorenzo Celsi:

    The lessattack surface you expose,the less they can hold youfrom your balls.

    That sounds paranoid but, maybe that's why I kinda agree with it. The question to me all too often is just who it is, that has my nuts in a vice, and, what the hell do they really want? Even before there was an internet! :insane:

  7. Hell! That's all I found. :awww: :cry:Maybe that imports company got busted?I think that's why I call myself a "Bodhisattva". And, trying to go poof gone like an Arhat still only brings me back around to right here, or here, or here again, anyway!Even I get tired of the lecture.

  8. Originally posted by Frlmnk:

    I just remember back in my fetal days(2001), being able to go to the libraries lab for 2 hours at a time. I'd configure a search to list 100 urls and print out the page for 10 cents,go back to my spot under the bridge and sort through it. Ah! Those were the good old days!

    Oh yeah, good old days indeed! ๐Ÿ˜€ Not to mention time before that, when phone was just a phone :lol:"Hell's Buddha" :confused: Do you mean Lau Kar-Wing in movie Return of the One-Armed Swordsman (1969). I recommend using hyphens to search with a phrase like that: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Hell%27s+Buddha%22EDIT: :doh: You said company ๐Ÿ˜€ So, maybe this one:

    Hell's Buddha'shttp://www.hellsbuddhas.com/ This site serves as the contact point for an ongoing five month motorcycle road trip through the country of India. In charge is Asokananda, the lead singer of a German punk rock band. Follow them through their journey to spiritual destinations.

  9. It is not paranoia. I know the business quite well.See, everything stated with the Internet itself. At the beginning it was an academic/military project funded by government(s). Then it grew as "service" and "providers". This attracted business people who thought "here on the Internet we have got a lot of people, we just transform them in consumer/customers and we'll make big money".But the big obstacle for making business with the Internet was and still is the famous "neutrality", which basically "neutralizes" the traditional way to make business based on controlling a strategic POSITION. It means you can't put a faucet and charge people for what comes out, they just go around you and somewhere else. Basically only the advertisement business proved successful because it is just based on bare numbers, how many people are exposed to your ads. Then the said above business geniuses thought they could change the rules of the game by taking away people's control over their own computers. The "cloud" concept is simple, you put the faucet between the computer and software so whoever wants to use a computer must pay a subscription. The Internet is just the most convenient way to remove software from PCs but you could as well use a separate network. Ironically it is again something that is derived from TV. Since the beginning business people have seen the Internet as "media" and then they tried to just move the TV business over the Internet. What made it difficult was that computers are ACTIVE devices, not passive. With the "cloud" you fix this issue, your PC is dead like a door knob unless you are connected to the pay service.About contents, it is not that corporations are interested much in what you upload on the Internet, it is that they don't want you to be ACTIVE, they don't want an Internet made by users. Like TV, you don't make movies or shows.Today's Internet user is DUMB and dumber.

  10. I agree with Lorenzo on this. Somewhat same thing happened with bank services here. During the past decades, little by little they took the control over our salary. Here it is almost impossible to have a job and get payed unless you have account in some bank. And when internet came into picture, they forced us to do all the work. Just the other day I heard someone telling how she has to do all this for her poor old parents who has no PC or skills to use it.So, if the "cloud" happens in full volume, then none of us have no longer any control on internet. Or the control is behind those who own the business. And dumber we will become because we lose the skills how to do the things in any other way.

  11. Sami, a little correction.It is not that you don't have control over the Internet.You don't own any working computer because you just get the hardware but all the software and data is in the "cloud".You can't write a letter, edit a picture, make a spreadsheet, anything, unless you access some remote service.And even the hardware could be "customized" in order to connect only to some service and given for free like today's mobile phones as part of the subscription.In short, we are back to the old split in two, professional workstations and personal computers. Personal computers well be simplified to act just as "thin client" with a minimal OS and they will connect the "cloud" to download applications and to upload and storing data. The OS could be stored on a ROM chip (something I saw on low end PCs in the late '80s and early 90s). It is the perfect client for the SLAVE.

  12. Chrome OS anyone? :insane:.Yes, I do agree that cloud based computing is bad. But it's not likely to work here because we already pay a fortune for data. :irked:.But now everyone is going 'Blackberry'. :awww:.

  13. Cloud based computing is bad for us "old school guys" and for professionals (of course excluding marketing and sales who don't have a clue regardless). But, exactly like the 16:9 displays, it is good for the large mass of clueless "users" who just use the Internet for getting "social", entertainment and maybe for booking a travel. They don't actually need a "personal computer", they need a "terminal".The thing about "mobile" devices is more or less the same, there are two kind of people, those who spend most of their days in front of a computer and see the "mobile" as a toy and those who don't see any difference in connecting to the Internet with a PC or a "mobile" device, since they just do the same messaging and "social stuff" on both. From the corporate point of view the difference is on the "mobile" you can charge more money for more things. For example the main italian news site is free in its regular form but it is "pay subscription" for IPhone.

  14. Yes, I've seen that happen with many things. A pay version for mobile. And to add insult to injury, the mobile version often gives less content. :irked:.

  15. The original sin of the Internet was you could access through the regular dial-up phone line. This made it very difficult to place the said above "faucet" between the user and the Internet. Current broadband connections are more or less derived from the same concept, for example I am connected via ADSL which is again the dial-up line.The "mobile" market instead was planned/designed since the beginning to be made by separated network/services and then it is all made by faucets. That regardless the technology used, like UMTS or Wi-Fi or whatever else. Basically it comes in the form of radio frequencies that the State rents to private firms and those firms being allowed to make the price, often eliminating competition by making a nice "trust".Apple products are a niche in themselves and another discussion.

  16. And I get hung because of what a cadre of editors say I said. You two wanna spit down my neck too? What happens if I gotta empty the commode?

  17. And all I wanted was to have bookmarks organized… :faint: ๐Ÿ˜† I suppose I could just write them down on paper ๐Ÿ˜€

  18. Yes, I have tried that as well, and got a few gray hair trying to reorganize the messed up bookmarks after synchronization. And there's still no tags and sharing on Opera Link.

  19. If you wanted bookmarks organized you could use your regular browser and its embedded bookmark function. You can even "sync" if you want to be "mobile".

  20. Yes, I understood that ๐Ÿ˜‰ I could have a closer look on those Google bookmarks especially because I just got new Android phone.

  21. Like I've got 4.3 but maybe 5 'll fly?What do you think "uncaught exception 8330m" should mean Sami? :confused: but functional. ๐Ÿ˜†

  22. Well, obviously I need to test. Currently Opera Mini seem to be only mobile browser that is reliable enough for me and can upload images on Android platform. The Android browser and Skyfire both has no option to upload files on Android version 2.1 :confused: And since I do not wish to mess my new phone too much, Android 2.2 is not yet option for me.EDIT: The damn video crached Opera 11 for Ubuntu Linux.

  23. I guess the damn video is encoded in OggTheora and if Opera crashes probably there is some bug related to the "video" tag implementation (and related codecs).Are you still using the list I provided for Block Content on Opera? Does it work?

  24. Of course making your own list is the way to go.Unfortunately doing that on Opera is not simple because there aren't the proper code debugging tools and you have to inspect the whole page code. That is why I derive my list from ADBlockPlus on Firefox.If one day you try Firefox "mobile" I would like to know about it.Oh, on a side note: most filters are either generic or block porn. This gives me a clue on what "sites" you wanted to visit. eheheh… ๐Ÿ™‚

  25. I had to take it way because I wished to see a few Web sites blocked on that list. Can't really remember what were those Web sites and did I actually found anything useful on them, but nevertheless I decided it is better to collect the list of my own to understand what is filtered and why.But yes, it seemed to work :up:

  26. That may happen quite soon. Since I already tried Skyfire for Android, it would be just reasonable to test Firefox Mobile as well.

  27. For some reason I can't get the Firefox mobile downloaded via firefox.com/m/beta and this beta is not found on Android market either :confused:

  28. Thanks for help folks. l tried all that I could think of to get it installed but no success. Asking help support will be the next step ๐Ÿ˜€

  29. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Platforms/AndroidIt seems the problem is the processor.Firefox/Fennec is compatible only with ARM v.7.Your device could run the "experimental" nightly builds for ARM v.6. See the bottom of the list under "These devices are not compatible with our ARMv7-optimized releases, but might be able to run the experimental ARMv6 nightly builds".But seeing the list of known issues, probably it is not worth the pain. ๐Ÿ™‚

  30. And clearly the networks aren't making it any easier. :awww:.(note the comment re: AT&T :irked:)

  31. Nope… I spent quite a lot of time trying to get the damn file downloaded on Opera Mini and Opera Mobile. Then finally Skyfire managed to download the 13MB file from Firefox server. Once Opera Mini went all the way to half of the file downloaded but then stopped. Well, even the good is not yet perfect :left:

  32. Honestly I don't understand you "mobile people". :)Everything is so overpriced and bugged…

  33. Originally posted by Lorenzo Celsi:

    Honestly I don'tunderstand you "mobilepeople".Everything is sooverpriced and bugged…

    I can't argue with the "bugged" description. The mobile infrastructure and devices do pose a challenge. But price wise, unless you're going "top of the line", it's affordable. Furthermore, if I relied on only landline networks I'd barely have access at all.

  34. I think the real issue with "mobile" is not technical. Like I said elsewhere, the problem is the whole "mobile" business is completely "consumer-oriented", where "consumer" means "people with few or no technical understanding and/or interest". "Mobile" devices are mostly meant to be "trendy" gadgets that you must change about once a year and the best you can do with them is to stay in touch with other people with the same gadgets. It is not an accident that out of the "gadgets maniacs", the other marketing targets are "sales people" and "tribe of teenagers".In the Personal Computer area we are seeing the same trend, out of professionals who need real computers, the large mass of "consumers" just need something to play games, view movies and connect to Facebook.

  35. I would not see it so black and white. I'm maybe naive but certain kind of consumerism (Wikipedia: ".. a social and economic order that is based on the systematic creation and fostering of a desire to purchase goods or services in even greater amounts.") has pestered our society on many other areas as well, so I would not see it only a problem for those who use these modern days "mobile devices".For example shift from analog to digital television also forced people to consume if they wish to continue watching the darned box. And if/when digital books comes more common, then we have yet another market for devices to waste our money.As a mobile phone user I have managed to survive with surprisingly little money spent on hardware, software and network providers. And no more or less bugs than I have had on PCs.

  36. I don't agree in the sense that "consumerism" is more or less evident/strong depending on the "market niche". You see clothes. After some age you more or less wear stuff that is comfortable and "classic". While in some other age group you MUST conform to the dress code of your "tribe". If some year boots made with elephant skin are "trendy", everybody wants a pair regardless the price. Like you don't sell sport cars to teenagers who can't afford them (unless they are drug dealers), so the advertisement is aimed to middle age guys in management position.Same goes for "mobile". It is aimed mostly to some classes of "consumers" who don't mind of the low performance or even lack of real utility and don't mind of overpricing.Of course there are exceptions like people who MUST rely on mobile as the only mean to be connected and those who can navigate among prices and hardware. But the difference between "traditional (personal) computing" and "mobile" is all in the different marketing/target.

  37. I tend to agree with Lorenzo, Sami, there's less and less on the market that's real computing and more and more just using computers to provide luxury and diversion. It's like a refridgerator that dispenses ice cubes! :psmurf: Who needs that?

  38. I would say it's also situation caused by customers. I remember when suddenly everyone were thrilled by clam phones and Nokia was not among first companies to make them. Lot of people complained about that, begging Nokia to start making them. And when Nokia finally did, then the whole hype was over already ๐Ÿ˜† We seem to think the companies are not human but some eager machine who just try to suck our blood. But there are people there, trying to find out what customers want. And since everyone wants something different, then it is really not going to be an easy task.Just go and follow feedback forums for Opera browsers to see how difficult it can be to provide what customers want.

  39. Trying to find out what people want? More like trying to create wants where there are none in my opinion. :rolleyes:.

  40. "customers" don't have any independent thinking. They don't need it. They are programmed and they execute instructions. Making money is all about the ability to manipulate people.Companies, they are ruled by managers who are masters in the art of manipulating people. And then companies themselves exist only to manipulate people. They do it openly with marketing and they do it by any legal and illegal means, like paying politicians, lowering costs by moving toxic stuff in places where people don't know either care, from time to time making some war. Since the stone age there were people dying in war and people getting rich with it.And remember most people are just plain stupid. Saying this is not politically correct. Because we are told everybody has got opinions that deserve respect. It is all fake.The point is successful ideologies, including "consumerism", aim to re-assure the stupids, by providing them a "safe" environment where they can exist as stupids without being confronted by their true nature. You buy an expensive yet useless gadget? You are automatically reassured to be "cool", while you should have a big flashing "stupid" sign over your head.I guess everybody here has got enough experience of the Internet to confirm what I have just written about stupids and their ecology.

  41. I'm a little confused what to agree or disagree on :confused: Certainly there are plenty of customers who just run after hype and buy products without thinking or looking prize tag. At least enough to keep plenty of greedy bloodsucking businessmen alive. Social media like internet has however, cursed and blessed us with more aware consumerism, where people are even forced to find out the details by themselves. I know plenty of forums (also on mobile device markets) where clearly critical consumers seek and exchange information before doing any decisions.Moreover, there seem to be plenty of people (ordinary users) having crazy ideas and suggestions for better products.Anyway, what I have always been against is doing any black and white generalizations.

  42. The basic idea of trading is to get something whose value is the lowest possible and give it away in exchange of something whose value is the highest possible. This is not "generalization", it is just mechanics.The next step in trading is to condition the way people perceive the "value" of goods. This way you can persuade those who have something you want that their goods has no value while yours has high value. Again, this is not "generalization".The next step is to induce needs, so people find out they have to buy some goods from you that they never heard before. And this is not "generalization".The practical result is people who "need" to buy a mobile device that has been assembled by semi-slave workers in some nowhere in Asia with cheap hardware and that costs about 5 or 6 times his real value. Profitable corporations are those who can convince more people that they "need" their products, find the cheaper assemblers in the most remote location and hardware discounts.All you have to do is to watch some advertisement and you see how it works. Buy product X and you will be envied by men and you will attract women. You will be handsome, tall, rich and successful. World around you will be like a postcard from the tropics or some remote wild paradise. Etc.And, there isn't anything like "media" and "social" to sell stuff. It is THE ONLY real value of "media" and "social" actually. Go seeing how Google makes money.

  43. Originally posted by serola:

    Certainly there are plenty of customers who just run after hype and buy products without thinking

    Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:

    The next step in trading is to condition the way people perceive the "value" of goods

    Using advanced suggestion and thought-injection techniques it is possible to make the masses 'think' they're thinking when they are actually simply following instructions from the mass media marketing engine! :awww:.The only sure-fire way to prevent yourself from becoming a victim of mass-media thought-injection is to avoid exposing yourself to all forms of media! :rolleyes:.So unless you intend to pack it all in and move to a cabin in the mountains, chances are that not all your thoughts are your own anyway! :p.

  44. Personally I am protected by my feeling that the more things you want/own, the more slave of those things you become. When you are sold a car you also get all the maintenance, insurance, taxes, times it breaks, accidents, driving license that must be renewed etc. So it MUST be really useful to be worth the pain.

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